Monday, September 29, 2008

Good ways to convert a mormon? —MizzyMac

Whats the best way to convert a mormon to becoming a Catholic/Christian?
Just explain to them that while their myths are patently ridiculous, yours are perfectly rational. I don't see the problem.

Mormons What would you do if Christian call themselves mormon? —Tinkerbelle2007

but never went to the mormon church, That why most christian get upset when you call yourself christian
Well Ender's is clearly the best answer here: "Christianity is a category, not a specific denomination. A Baptist, by definition, is a Christian. A Christian, however, is not by definition a Baptist." The logic in your question is faulty.

Your question would have more relevance if you instead asked why Mormons want to be accepted as "Christians," yet refuse to accept the fundamentalist Latter-day Saint groups into the fold of "Mormons."

Gordon B. Hinckley to Larry King: "There is no such thing as a 'Mormon Fundamentalist.' It is a contradiction to use the two words together."

Sunday, September 28, 2008

I have a question about the Book of Mormon.? —TR R

What were the Secret Combinations? Were they rituals of some sort of were they almost like a motion (like a sign or a handshake) that set themselves apart?
At the time of the BoM's publication, the secret combinations spoken of were widely believed to be a reference to Freemasonry. The anti-Masonry movement was in high gear during the years prior to the book's appearance, and the BoM clearly condemned these secret societies. Of course the irony is that Joseph later joined the Masons and presumably patterned his temple ordinances after Masonic ceremonies.

Somehow Mormons make this all work though. Maybe the Masons and the Gadianton robbers were practicing Satan's counterfeit version of the secret handshakes.

Friday, September 26, 2008

I am SO confused about what I believe! I can't get out of my head what I was raised.? —☆Jaimé☆

I was raised as a Mormon. I am 16 years old and I don't want that anymore. Once I move out at 18 I want to wear tank tops and never visit an LDS church again.
I am struggling to forget what I was raised. I was raised that the mormon church is true, everything they says is true...But I don't want to got to Heaven or Hell, I don't want to believe there is a God...How do I get that out of my head? I mean, I kind of believe it, but I don't want to. I don't want to believe God is controling my life, that I am part of his plan. I want my own plan. I don't want to believe in him...Can I get this out of my head?

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Oh wow, you guys are all so nice! I'm going to email you all to thank you! I was worried about the responces I would get, but you've all been so nice, thank you!
IT'S NOT ABOUT THE TANK TOP PEOPLE! I was just giving you an example!!! I'm not leaving the LDS religion FOR AN Fing TANK TOP!
Isn't it weird that a 16-year-old's apathy toward religion sends all the Mormon responders into defensive "testifying" mode? 'But it IS true! Really!' You are one powerful young lady. Cool

Have you tried joining an online support group? The most well-known is It really isn't easy to get disentangled from something as all-encompassing as Mormonism. Give yourself time to work through this, and for the Mormons who care about you to adjust to the new you.

And if you really want to get out from under the whole God paradigm, I suggest you tell him so yourself. I'm serious. If your experience is anything like mine he'll cower and hide. Or maybe try out a new god who really kicks butt, like Thor. Or better yet, Mr. Deity (who also happens to be a former Mormon).


Tuesday, September 23, 2008

LDS- What have you learned (specifically not generally) from the Book of Mormon? —I know why

I learned that ancient Americans had cattle, horses, sheep, pigs, and cell phones. They had steel swords, chariots with GPS navigation, and made their enchiladas with wheat tortillas. But they were good Christians who stood firmly against ancient Unitarians, ancient Deists, and assorted agnostic riffraff.

Tuesday, September 16, 2008

What do you know about the Mormon religion? —Hunter

I am a mormon, and I've been very curious about what other people know/think about our religion. If you are mormon I would appreciate you commenting!
*We do not believe in having more than one wife
*We can watch TV and participate in the media
*We do believe in God, and Jesus Christ
*Yes, we are modest. But we don't wear floor length clothing and long sleeve shirts all the time.
(Just to clear all of that up)
Thank you!
*We do not believe in having more than one wife

Are you sure? Is D&C 132 still scripture? Can a man not be sealed to a second wife if his spouse has passed away? Do you not believe that Joseph Smith was commanded by a sword-wielding angel to take plural wives? I think you meant you do not currently live in polygamous marriages.

*We can watch TV and participate in the media

Who chooses what's OK for you to watch? Would you have a book by an ex-Mormon in your home where your bishop might see it?

*We do believe in God, and Jesus Christ

Any predictions on Jesus' return visit? Think it's the Mayan calendar after all?

*Yes, we are modest. But we don't wear floor length clothing and long sleeve shirts all the time.

I don't think "modest" means what you think it means. ;) I agree Mormons don't wear fundie clothes. But don't kid yourself, there's a dress code on and off the court. How many women in your ward today wore pants? Anything sleeveless or showing any amount of cleavage? Have you ever counted the men in the congregation who are NOT wearing white shirts? What's up with that? I'm sorry, you belong to a church that chooses your underwear. That is not normal.

You asked! :)
What do you think the mormon religion is about and what they worship?—Ollie

I just wanted to know what people thought of this specific religion. I am a member of the Mormon church and I believe in it strongly so please so mean comments but feel free to express what you think.
Well not being a religious person myself I don't care about the perceived differences between Mormonism and mainstream Christianity that seem to get people in a tizzy. And yes, this question gets asked all the time, but I found your wording interesting.

What do I think Mormonism is about? I think it's all about itself, about protecting and building and empowering the Mormon institution. I think it offers its adherents a worldview and a cosmology that is comforting and gives their lives meaning, but in return it takes everything.

What do they worship? I think Mormons worship God and Jesus, but give their lives to the institution.

How do Mormons preach? —Jadhu
Here I go again. Asking about Mormons. I'm really curious. I don't hear much about them. I haven't talked to a Mormon personally and inquired how do they preach. I mean what do they say, what do they present, or what do they give when they preach? Do they engage in debates? It's good to have a philosophical debate.

Mormon church services are pretty low key. You go in, sit where you want, they have a hymn and prayer and conduct ward business. Then another hymn, they bless and pass the bread and water—which you would probably decline as a nonmember, but the kid passing it won't know so he'll offer it to you.

Once that's through they announce the speakers, who are just members of the congregation who were asked to prepare and give talks for this week. There is no audience participation outside of the singing, you just sit and listen. It gets a little noisy by the end of the hour since there's no child care service and kids get restless.

That's pretty much it. The topics are assigned by the local bishop, so there aren't a lot of surprises. No visual aids, no backup choir, no amens or hallelujahs from the crowd. If there's a special musical number you don't applaud afterward. They just ... talk.

Tuesday, September 9, 2008

Christian fraternity turns away Mormon —Hunter Riley

Freshman John Bundy wanted to join Kappa Upsilon Chi, a Christian fraternity on campus. But he was denied admission because he is Mormon. "They did all the things fraternities do, but they're centered around Christ," he said. "I was really interested in the student organization because they did retreats and services in the community." Mark Nelson, president of the UNM chapter of Kappa Upsilon Chi, said Bundy's faith doesn't fit with the fraternity's members. (Read full article here.)
Thank you, Kappa Upsilon Chi, for the reminder of how divisive and petty a religion can make ordinary people. Your Jesus and the Mormon Jesus need to get together and read The Sneetches.

Monday, September 8, 2008

What is really in the Book of Mormon? —Jadhu

I was able to read the first few pages of the book until i stopped. I found it in our school library. I just want to know what are really the teachings inside this Book of Mormon, because when I was already reading the First Book of Nephi, i, honestly, am getting ...somewhat bored..... sorry.... i don't mean to offend. I understood the Bible better than this book. In the book of Nephi, the first verses were just about Nephi. I don't need to know this Nephi. There were too many verses in the beginning concerning about Nephi. So, i closed the book then just read another book... I just need to know what the Book of Mormon is all about, it's teachings(please give examples, like verses)............
That's pretty funny. So you didn't like reading Nephi talk about himself, huh? I don't have anything to add, just thought your viewpoint was refreshing. :)

Rae wrote: "Even if you are not reading it for the spiritual aspect (though it is hard to read it and not get that), it is a good historical story."

Huh ... what? No. There's nothing historical about it, unless you hold a spiritual belief in it to begin with. Maybe you just meant to say it's a good story? Sure, I'd agree with that, in parts at least. But not appropriate for small children, although you could say the same about the Old Testament.

Thursday, September 4, 2008

An Ultimate Statement of Irony? —Plato

After having read and been thoroughly disgusted by the Twilight Saga, I have found the main idea to be quite ironic. It is a series about two people who have found their first and only love for all of eternity. And the writer is Mormon. Has anyone else noticed this?
Are you referring to polygamy? I'm an ex-Mormon myself and not out to convert you, but you seriously need to look at the LDS church's website (try and get a feel for what modern-day Mormonism is all about. They are not polygamists.

Plato wrote: "I'm not saying Mormons are polygamists today, but there were definitely cases of polygamy in the past."

True enough, but not in Stephenie's past. :)

Monday, September 1, 2008

Are there many BYU fans that aren't Mormon? —jacob e

My BIL is an ex-Mormon from Utah County and still attended BYU football games "religiously" when he lived in town. I'm also an ex-Mormon and even a USU alumnus but still think of BYU as my team. Religion is one thing, but football? C'mon, what kind of person turns their back on their team? ;)

Why does the mormon church not let former mormons get their records off? —Tinkerbelle2007

I have sent three letters to the mormon church one to the bishop and two to the church office building why the big run around
There is at least supposed to be a smooth process in place now for name removal, described in detail at the site

But in your case it sounds like you followed the process and are still having trouble. Sometimes bishops don't know what to do with the letter or they sit on it and don't pass it on to the stake president. Whatever the reason, a phone call to Greg Dodge (801-240-2053) in Member Records will usually get things moving.

Anna wrote: "They refuse to acknowledge when you leave because they don't want to lose numbers on the membership rolls. Yes, it's a cheat, but that's the way it is. Just ignore it. If you have informed them by letter (registered is best), go on and live your life like they never existed. That's what I did."
Actually you really should be able to get this done nowadays through the process mentioned. The Mormon church was sued in 1985 for not honoring a resignation letter, which is the only reason they accommodate these requests.

You may be right though, anna, about not wanting to lose numbers on the membership rolls. The ex-Mormon community tries every year to make sense of the membership counts given in General Conference, and they don't make any sense. It appears that not only are inactive members being counted, but so are myriad ex-members and deceased members.

Is it a conspiracy? Probably not, but somewhere along the way they apparently decided to deal with ex-members and lost members a particular way, and the numbers have since spiraled out of control. Correcting the problem now would be embarrassing, so I don't expect an announcement anytime soon.