Friday, May 30, 2008

Is the Mormon God the same as the Christian God?
In spite of the opposition of the sects, in the face of direct charges of blasphemy, the Church proclaims the
eternal truth: “As man is, God once was; as God is, man may be.” (The Articles of Faith, James E. Talmage,
1982, page 430, emphasis in original)
Three separate personages — Father, Son, and Holy Ghost — comprise the Godhead. As each of these
persons is a God, it is evident, from this standpoint alone, that a plurality of Gods exists. To us, speaking in
the proper finite sense, these three are the only Gods we worship. But in addition there is an infinite number of
holy personages, drawn from worlds without number, who have passed on to exaltation and are thus gods …
there is “a god above the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ…. (Mormon Doctrine, 2nd Edition, Bruce R.
McConkie, 1966, pages 576-577, emphasis in original)
There is no end to this development: it will go on forever. We will become gods and have jurisdiction over
worlds, and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring … our Father in heaven was once a man as we
are now, capable of physical death. By obedience to eternal gospel principles, he progressed from one stage of
life to another until he attained the state that we call exaltation or godhood. In such a condition, he and our
mother in heaven were empowered to give birth to spirit children whose potential was equal to that of their
heavenly parents. We are those spirit children. (Achieving A Celestial Marriage, student manual, 1976, page
132, emphasis in original)
Christ Performed His Atonement so That We Could Become Gods (Achieving A Celestial Marriage,
student manual, 1976, page 136, emphasis in original) —~Truth Seeker~

Is the Baptist God the same as the Lutheran God? There are no two churches that teach all the same things about God. If there were, they'd be the same church. I would think this was obvious. If you're going to copy/paste your comments instead of thinking for yourself, at least delete all the line breaks so it's not obvious.
Most Damaging Evidence —alis

What is the most damaging evidence that TSCC is not true?

I'm have moments every day where my mind keeps going back to thinking that maybe TSCC is true and I'm just wrong. So then I try to think logically and put things into perspective. I tell my self about the polygamy or about how JS was a pedophile. But I just need something that is the MOST damaging so that I can tell myself that when I'm having these feelings.
I appreciate all the responses too, it's nice to get a refresher on all the nonsensical things I used to keep balanced on the shelf somehow. Alis, it's a stage in the process really. I used to read voraciously about all of the above topics, and I'm glad I did. But now I find the BofA no more "damaging" than the story of a resurrected white Native American floating in Joseph's room. It just takes time. You're going to be OK.
Tithing reimbursement —Wendy

A friend of mine told me she knows someone who's sole job is to write tithing reimbursement checks to those who "want their money back." Have any of you heard of this? I'm just wondering what I need to do to get my money back!
As I understand it, there's no way they could do that and maintain their tax-exempt status. I'd be very cynical of this friend's claim.

Thursday, May 29, 2008

Where did the Book of Mormon take place? —Nipivy

There are three theories that I know of...The Traditional Geography Theory, with the Book of Mormon encompassing all of the Americas, the Mesoamerican Limited Geography Theory, and the Great Lakes Geography Theory. What makes one more plausible than the other? I know FARMS puts a lot of effort into excavations in Mesoamerica, but I would think that the Great Lakes Theory has value, too. Most notably, there's not the problem of multiple Hill Cumorahs (I KNOW a suggestion by the Mesoamerican group is that Moroni wandered up to Western New York in his decades of wandering after the events of the Book of Mormon took place). And there seems several scriptures in the Book of Mormon back up the Book of Mormon happening in North America exclusively. Should there be more of an effort there, also?

Anyways, where do you believe the Book of Mormon took place? If you have a good link, please send it my way :-)
This is not really an answer to your question (is there any way to answer this one?), but just an amplification: if you're going to move away from the Hemispheric model, you also have to deal with a guy named Zelph.

Source(s):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zelph#Zelph_and_the_question_of_Book_of_Mormon_geography

Wednesday, May 28, 2008

The word is out… —Audit

DoubleX:
The woman calling is a sweetie but one of the first things she said to me was 'We miss you.' Which really means, we know you're inactive and we want you to come back.'
I cringe to think of how many times I must have used that line as EQP without ever realizing how divisive it is. How come it's never "I miss seeing you," but rather "we miss you"? Note that the person you're saying it to is suddenly not one of "us."
Oh no! They’re on to me! Help! —amusick

It's a tough call. Eventually you're going to have to get to a point where you are comfortable just saying no to things like this. (I have no problem with the email idea, if you're ready to make that step.) The challenge is if you agree to do this you may be making it harder on yourself to leave later. Members might remember that amusick just bore her testimony a few weeks ago and think that you were being two-faced.

All I'm suggesting is that you weigh that possibility in your decision. While I'd lean toward just saying no, I don't think there's anything wrong with playing along until you're ready. And for your own sake, may I suggest that you try to stop framing this as you "hurting" them. You can't own that; it's the church's dysfunctional system that makes someone else's disbelief somehow hurtful to them.

Best of luck,
Guap